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jsbonn001

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:26 pm
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My question is , Did my truck come with cats? I have heard many
different answers to this question. The sticker that was on the valve
cover has been rubbed off so I dont know if it did or not. I had one
smog tech tell me that it is supposed to have them and where it is now
the tech thinks it doesnt. Is there a place to find out what
equiptment and what requirements there should be on stuff like this.
I would greatly appreciate any help on this.
thanks, jimmy

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:25 am
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no

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> My question is , Did my truck come with cats? I have heard many
> different answers to this question. The sticker that was on the valve
> cover has been rubbed off so I dont know if it did or not. I had one
> smog tech tell me that it is supposed to have them and where it is now
> the tech thinks it doesnt. Is there a place to find out what
> equiptment and what requirements there should be on stuff like this.
> I would greatly appreciate any help on this.
> thanks, jimmy
>

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:55 am
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wrote:
> My question is , Did my truck come with cats? I have heard many
> different answers to this question. The sticker that was on the valve
> cover has been rubbed off so I dont know if it did or not. I had one
> smog tech tell me that it is supposed to have them and where it is now
> the tech thinks it doesnt. Is there a place to find out what
> equiptment and what requirements there should be on stuff like this.
> I would greatly appreciate any help on this.
> thanks, jimmy
>
No it did not have cats. Cats were not required on the F150 until 1979.
It was even later for the F250.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:55 am
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:25:17 -0500, "Steve Barker"
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>no


If it had a GVW rating under 6000 lbs it would have come with CATS.
All vehicles 6000 and below were required to have them that year.
Starting in 79 it was 8600 lbs GVW and under. Toady in is 10K and
under but that is changing soon too.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:56 pm
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In article ,
SnoMan wrote:


> All vehicles 6000 and below were required to have them that year.

No vehicle was "required" to have catalytic convertors in 1979.
If the vehicle couldn't meet emissions regulations without them,
then they would be 'necessary' but not required.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:56 pm
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:30:48 GMT, aarcuda69062
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>No vehicle was "required" to have catalytic convertors in 1979.
>If the vehicle couldn't meet emissions regulations without them,
>then they would be 'necessary' but not required.


Another one of your troll comments as usual. (I know you can not help
it as it is in your blood) There were no vehicles made in 79 under
8600 GVW that could meet requirements without CATS then. I'll bet
you were not even driving then or maybe not even around period. My 79
J20 rated at 8400 GVW had them. 78 models did not. This is why there
was a sudden larger appearance of 8600 GVW and higher P/U trucks in
79 a later to exploit this loop hole.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:06 pm
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Not the 250.

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"SnoMan" wrote in message

> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:25:17 -0500, "Steve Barker"
> wrote:
>
>>no
>
>
> If it had a GVW rating under 6000 lbs it would have come with CATS.
> All vehicles 6000 and below were required to have them that year.
> Starting in 79 it was 8600 lbs GVW and under. Toady in is 10K and
> under but that is changing soon too.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:07 pm
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The op (as seen in the subject line) was talking about a '77. Nothing but
the half-tons had cats that year.

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"SnoMan" wrote in message

> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:30:48 GMT, aarcuda69062
> wrote:
>
>>No vehicle was "required" to have catalytic convertors in 1979.
>>If the vehicle couldn't meet emissions regulations without them,
>>then they would be 'necessary' but not required.
>
>
> Another one of your troll comments as usual. (I know you can not help
> it as it is in your blood) There were no vehicles made in 79 under
> 8600 GVW that could meet requirements without CATS then. I'll bet
> you were not even driving then or maybe not even around period. My 79
> J20 rated at 8400 GVW had them. 78 models did not. This is why there
> was a sudden larger appearance of 8600 GVW and higher P/U trucks in
> 79 a later to exploit this loop hole.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:56 pm
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Steve Barker wrote:
> The op (as seen in the subject line) was talking about a '77. Nothing but
> the half-tons had cats that year.
>
Steve, I had a 78 F150. It did not have cats. That started on the 150 in
1979. The cutoff for smog control up until 79 was 6000lbs as
previously stated. The F150 had a GVW at that time 0f 6,050lbs, putting
it over the limit for smog control. I believe the F100 had to have it,
as it's GVW was under 6000lbs..
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:00 pm
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On 7 Apr 2007 19:26:49 -0700, wrote:

>My question is , Did my truck come with cats? I have heard many
>different answers to this question. The sticker that was on the valve
>cover has been rubbed off so I dont know if it did or not. I had one
>smog tech tell me that it is supposed to have them and where it is now
>the tech thinks it doesnt. Is there a place to find out what
>equiptment and what requirements there should be on stuff like this.
>I would greatly appreciate any help on this.
>thanks, jimmy
>
http://replacement.car-stuff.com/parts/carstuff/wizard.jsp?year=1977&m...=FO&mod
that url shows many cats available for your year/size truck .
So that year/size deffinately had them somewhere.
Did California have different standards back then ?
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:30 am
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wrote in message

> My question is , Did my truck come with cats? I have heard many
> different answers to this question. The sticker that was on the valve
> cover has been rubbed off so I dont know if it did or not. I had one
> smog tech tell me that it is supposed to have them and where it is now
> the tech thinks it doesnt. Is there a place to find out what
> equiptment and what requirements there should be on stuff like this.
> I would greatly appreciate any help on this.
> thanks, jimmy
>
As you see, there is no consensus here. I can offer this - my 1977 F150 4X4,
with 400 (no M for the 400 BTW), with C6 auto did NOT have cats, nor were
they required.

DaveD
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:49 am
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"SnoMan" wrote in message

> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:25:17 -0500, "Steve Barker"
> wrote:
>
>>no
>
>
> If it had a GVW rating under 6000 lbs it would have come with CATS.
> All vehicles 6000 and below were required to have them that year.
> Starting in 79 it was 8600 lbs GVW and under. Toady in is 10K and
> under but that is changing soon too.
> -----------------


Here's your answer. Ignore all the subsequant pissing contest. In 1977 and
78, it depended in on GVWR in a range that made the F-series confusing. I
didn't remember the numbers, but I did remember that the F100 2wd had a cat
converter and F150's didn't. We bought a new F150 in 78 (it had no
converter).

Since yours is an F250, it didn't have a converter. But this also explains
why the inspectors are not competent to inspect the truck. Thier references
are flawed because some F-series did have cat converters.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:49 am
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"Steve Barker" wrote in message

> The op (as seen in the subject line) was talking about a '77. Nothing but
> the half-tons had cats that year.
>
> --
Not all of them. Just some.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:40 pm
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On Apr 8, 8:49 pm, "Joe" wrote:
> "SnoMan" wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:25:17 -0500, "Steve Barker"
> > wrote:
>
> >>no
>
> > If it had a GVW rating under 6000 lbs it would have come with CATS.
> > All vehicles 6000 and below were required to have them that year.
> > Starting in 79 it was 8600 lbs GVW and under. Toady in is 10K and
> > under but that is changing soon too.
> > -----------------
>
> Here's your answer. Ignore all the subsequant pissing contest. In 1977 and
> 78, it depended in on GVWR in a range that made the F-series confusing. I
> didn't remember the numbers, but I did remember that the F100 2wd had a cat
> converter and F150's didn't. We bought a new F150 in 78 (it had no
> converter).
>
> Since yours is anF250, it didn't have a converter. But this also explains
> why the inspectors are not competent to inspect the truck. Thier references
> are flawed because some F-series did have cat converters.

Thank you to all who responded. I did get my truck smogged. It
actually smogged very easily without the cats. The guy who smogged it
said that he owned one in high school and he said his did not have
them. My valve cover said that it should have them but he said that
someone must have changed those from the original. You are right
when you say its confusing. It is. I do have another question. Has
anyone changed out their ignition to that electronic ignition that
doesnt use points and rotors etc. I recently read an article that
said it will make the truck run alot smoother.
Thanks jimmy
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:45 pm
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On Apr 8, 10:30 pm, "Dave and Trudy" wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> news:1175999209.164287.286310@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...> My question is , Did my truck come with cats? I have heard many
> > different answers to this question. The sticker that was on the valve
> > cover has been rubbed off so I dont know if it did or not. I had one
> > smog tech tell me that it is supposed to have them and where it is now
> > the tech thinks it doesnt. Is there a place to find out what
> > equiptment and what requirements there should be on stuff like this.
> > I would greatly appreciate any help on this.
> > thanks, jimmy
>
> As you see, there is no consensus here. I can offer this - my 1977 F150 4X4,
> with 400 (no M for the 400 BTW), with C6 auto did NOT have cats, nor were
> they required.
>
> DaveD

Hey thank you for the reply. I did get my truck smogged. The guy who
did it had one in school and he said that his did not have them. He
showed me his book that made everything even more confusing. It
showed that some are supposed to have them if they came equipt with
certain equiptment and if they were sold in certain places. Have you
any experience with changing the ignition to the electronic ignition
with now points, rotor, etc.

Thanks, jimmy
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